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00:00 < Stan`> Also new mysteries like wth doesn't the new unit mesh need projectiles anymore
00:07 < Stan`> Too much heat. Goodnight everyone see you tomorow I guess.
00:10 < elexis> cya
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00:14 < WildfireBot> e​l​e​x​i​s added a comment to D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
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00:33 < WildfireBot> S​t​a​n added a comment to D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
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02:48 < WildfireBot> t​e​m​p​l​e added inline comments to D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
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06:29 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20799]: [Windows] Automated build. http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20799
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07:27 < WildfireBot> A​n​g​e​n updated the diff for D1204 (Move Pack Time to template) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1204
07:31 < WildfireBot> A​n​g​e​n updated the test plan for D1204 (Move Pack Time to template) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1204
08:40 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20800]: [i18n] Updated POT and PO files. http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20800
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11:51 < WildfireBot> b​b planned changes to D972 (Support diplomacy allied victory for capture the relic) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D972
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13:04 < WildfireBot> e​l​e​x​i​s added a comment to D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
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13:59 < WildfireBot> e​l​e​x​i​s added inline comments to D1204 (Move Pack Time to template) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1204
13:59 < elexis> Stan`: hannibal said something of the sentry tower garrisoning
14:00 < elexis> (14:59:06) hannibal_baraq@lobby.wildfiregames.com: i fixed the files in mod but that was copying a section from maur 
14:06 < Stan`> elexis, Yeah that's the last error I have
14:06 < Stan`> I fixed everything a short file ago
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14:23 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4934 (Skirmish Map Roman Road) created http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4934
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14:26 < Angen> elexis: hi, I am not sure if I understand the problem with do not having state in template in Pack 
14:27 < elexis> me neither :-)
14:27 < elexis> but there are optional and non-optional settings
14:27 < elexis> open Pack.js and look at Schema
14:27 < elexis> no optional keyword to be found there
14:28 < elexis> whereas in Identity.js or Attack.js one finds it
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14:33 < elexis> I don't know if it's mandatory, I just noticed it
14:33 < Angen> yeah, but Civ is not optional too and it is in the last child, too
14:34 < elexis> good
14:34 < elexis> then we have a counterexample, so were not adding a new class of bugs
14:35 < elexis> you can post it there
14:44 < WildfireBot> A​n​g​e​n added a comment to D1204 (Move Pack Time to template) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1204
14:48 < Angen> I think optional and non optional elements are checked after what whole class is build including parents
14:51 < elexis> it is
14:51 < elexis> but perhaps having valid parent templates would be nice to have too
14:51 < elexis> probably not however, since we never place them and we dont consider them placeable
14:52 < Angen> and this way you force to have this defined in child
14:52 < elexis> I wonder why we dont have a template validator
14:52 < elexis> yes, or changing the schema
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14:57 < Angen> btw, I can rename in random maps sin to Math.sin pretty quickly if you want (the same for cos)
14:57 < elexis> I can do it too
14:57 < elexis> but I decided to stop
14:58 < elexis> trying to get this one in finally https://github.com/0ad/0ad/compare/master...elexis1:rmgenstartingres_only?diff=split&name=rmgenstartingres_only
14:58 < elexis> this way most sin/cos/PI occurrences would be removed too
14:59 < elexis> after that, those weird rmgen engine constants
14:59 < elexis> and some more mapCenter and vector operations
14:59 < elexis> then that folder should be kind of clean
15:00 < Angen> ok then :D so no need to rename them anymore
15:00 < elexis> yep
15:00 < Angen> see you later :)
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15:02 < Stan`> elexis, I think the perl script
15:02 < Stan`> checks templates
15:03 < elexis> I checked three scripts
15:03 < elexis> but they dont validate the schema
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15:11 < temple> elexis: we could remove color from the simulation state, and just keep it in a global variable on the gui side
15:12 < temple> less stomach ache that way?
15:12 < elexis> not saving a GUI state in the sim state is better than saving a GUI state in the simstate
15:13 < temple> k
15:13 < elexis> though Im not sure if its bad to have the player color in GUIInterface.GetSimState
15:13 < elexis> the own color
15:13 < temple> original color, right
15:13 < elexis> but the current patch would be okay enough for me if the summary screen thing would be solved
15:14 < temple> I didn't know about the "forever" part
15:15 < elexis> well one cant toggle it
15:15 < elexis> it wouldnt be too bad if one had a checkbox in the summary screen for that in theory
15:15 < elexis> but just displaying the player colors 'forever' would be better than playing diplo colors (forever)
15:16 < elexis> *displaying
15:16 < temple> right
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16:24 < fpre1> temple: 
16:24 < fpre1> i luv u
16:24 < fpre1> see my other formations bug?
16:24 < fpre1> just figured
16:35 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4902 (Unreachable entity test) updated http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4902#comment:2
16:41 < temple> fpre1: what bug?
16:44 < WildfireBot> e​l​e​x​i​s added inline comments to rP20185 (Reverse engineer and unify the 14 copies of the river drawing random mapgen…) https://code.wildfiregames.com/rP20185
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16:48 < Angen> hi, Do you guys have problem with units in formations ? I have just played today and I had two bunches of soldiers and they had some formations, I commanded them to go to some place, and after then I wanted to move one couple elswhere but while they were in formation, almost everyone stucked among units from another group 
16:49 < Angen> I thougth it was solved in r19709 as mentioned in #4153 but it looks like it is not
16:49 < WildfireBot> #4153 (Units in formation beome uncontrollable or stuck) – http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4153
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16:50 < Stan`> Angen, it's not really fixed
16:51 < Stan`> some anims are not played correctly
16:51 < temple> can you upload a replay?
16:51 < Stan`> Hey temple :)
16:51 < temple> hi
16:52 < temple> units in formation can get stuck on obstructions, that's a separate bug
16:52 < temple> not sure the trac ticket for that, but it's a known issue
16:52 < Angen> temple: I am not sure I can find it, I played a bunch of short simulations today :(
16:52 < Angen> But I can try to reproduce it
16:53 < temple> were they just temporarily stuck?
16:53 < Angen> where do I find needed files then?
16:53 < Stan`> Appdata on windows
16:54 < Angen> They did not move from place but I think most of them had walking animation, they started to move after what I released their formation
16:55 < temple> yeah they can get stuck against an obstruction and stay in walking animation
16:55 < temple> 4153 was about a different thing, with units being unresponsive, can't move them anywhere
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17:01 < elexis> hi gallaecio
17:01 < temple> #4473 has a picture of what happens
17:01 < gallaecio> elexis: o/
17:01 < WildfireBot> #4473 (Units stuck trying to garrison walls) – http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4473
17:01 < Angen> Hmmm, what file name am I exactly looking for? I am in AppData in 0ad and there are dir: logs and chache 
17:02 < elexis> gallaecio: did you see my report about the ... character?
17:02 < elexis> @wiki GameDataPaths
17:02 < WildfireBot> http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/GameDataPaths
17:02 < gallaecio> elexis: Nope, but I do not have a strong opinion about it and it is trivial to change back.
17:03 < elexis> I had sent a forum PM and raised a concern on the commit on phabricator ;-)
17:04 < gallaecio> Damn you, Atlas…
17:05 < elexis> perhaps we should just write an actual sentence to avoid both variants of the three dots
17:05 < temple> not seeing a ticket for units getting stuck on things when moving in formation
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17:07 < gallaecio> We could use ‘and so on’. There is also ‘etc.’ or ‘etcereta’. Or we can just say that three periods must be used instead of … for technical reasons (Atlas’ lack of Unicode support).
17:09 < Vladislav> gallaecio: what's with atlas?
17:09 < gallaecio> I’ll update the English style guide later today to recommend sticking to ASCII due to Atlas, and to document some Unicode characters and the recommendation to replace them with ASCII (full sentences in this case).
17:09 < gallaecio> Vladislav: The map editor.
17:09 < elexis> Vladislav: it crashes when receiving the ... character
17:10 < temple> Angen: is what happened something like this? https://i.imgur.com/GHLGRMH.jpg
17:10 < gallaecio> Vladislav: sorry, got your question wrong
17:10 < temple> unit running in place
17:10 < elexis> Vladislav: try generating the Unknown map in atlas to reprodue
17:10 < elexis> if you want to fix that that'd be even better ;)
17:10 < gallaecio> elexis: My guess is that it happens with any Unicode character, right? Have you tried with something else? (’, →)
17:11 < Vladislav> elexis: gallaecio: what are steps to crash atlas (from run it)?
17:12 < Angen> temple: this too, but no, I ll upload later
17:12 < elexis> see above
17:12 < elexis> gallaecio: probably
17:12 < temple> k
17:12 < gallaecio> Vladislav: Make sure your Subversion clone is up to date, then simply load the map elixis pointed.
17:12 <@Itms> Hello!
17:12 < gallaecio> Unknown something, I think there are 3 similar maps all o which probably crash on load.
17:12 <@Itms> Dunedan_: pong
17:13 < temple> did something change with trac? says invalid username or password
17:14 < Vladislav> elexis: gallaecio: I generated the random "Unknown" map, it's generated successfully. Only few squares (invalid characters) in a description.
17:15 <@Itms> temple: I did an upgrade last week, but it shouldn't have broken anything (minor update)
17:15 < gallaecio> Well, unless elexis can figure out why it crashes for him, I believe it is a safe approach to assume Unicode cannot be used in English for now.
17:16 < elexis> Vladislav: https://pastebin.com/55dZUBh1
17:16 < Vladislav> gallaecio: probably there is a problem with linux (*nix platform), in kind of D1202
17:16 < WildfireBot> D1202: Fix Atlas compilation error if enabled UTF8 in wxWidget [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1202
17:16 < elexis> and the map description is empty after I press continue
17:16 < gallaecio> I can test myself later, see if it crashes for me.
17:16 < Vladislav> elexis: ^
17:17 < elexis> testing
17:18 <@Itms> gallaecio: I think we never use ellipsis anywhere so I guess it would be a lot of work to make sure we never have '...' anyways. Unless we have fewer ellipses than I think?
17:19 < gallaecio> Itms: I checked already, it's easy to check out .pot files for that, specially with i18n tools like pology.
17:20 < gallaecio> In fact, the issue comes due to me replacing all translatable ... with ….
17:20 < gallaecio> In fact, the issue comes due to me replacing all translatable ... (3 periods) with … (ellipsis).
17:20 < elexis> Vladislav: doesnt fix it
17:21 < Stan`> Anyone knows where the original kushite repository was ?
17:22 < elexis> wasnt
17:22 < elexis> also I recall asking you the same question
17:22 < Stan`> I'm tired maybe that has happened ^^
17:23 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20801]: Fix missing coordinate conversion in rP20429 (and rearrange ... http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20801
17:23 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20802]: Fix a resource collision in rP17903 in the Lions Den and in ... http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20802
17:23 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4902 (Unreachable entity test) updated http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4902#comment:3
17:23 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20803]: Add missing Math.sqrt in rP20793 and apply some trivial rmgen cleanup. http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20803
17:23 < Stan`> I have two models that are exactly the same and I can't figure out if it's a wow thing 
17:23 < Stan`> or if it was done like this on purpose
17:23 < elexis> (^30min late reports)
17:23 < elexis> which ones?
17:24 < Stan`> sentry tower
17:24 < elexis> we dont need copies, do we?
17:25 < Vladislav> elexis: which OS? I'll try to install a VM,
17:25 < elexis> I'm on ubuntu
17:25 < Stan`> No we don't that's why I wanted to see if it was a wow error or if the model got lost
17:25 < Vladislav> elexis: which version?
17:26 < Vladislav> elexis: which arch?
17:26 < elexis> 16.04
17:27 < elexis> Stan`: unless you and LordGood have the original files, Delenda Est is the primary source
17:28 < Stan`> I do not have the source files
17:28 < Stan`> but de does bundle them :D
17:28 < Stan`> https://github.com/JustusAvramenko/delenda_est/blob/master/art_files/Kushites/kushites.zip
17:28 < elexis> y
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17:29 < Stan`> Spoke too fast it's only psd
17:29 < Vladislav> elexis: arch?
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17:34 < Angen> https://imgur.com/a/KfJRD
17:34 < tabaluga> hi everyone
17:34 < tabaluga> I've got a problem
17:35 < Angen> hi, what it is? 
17:36 < Angen> temple:  still needed replay, or https://imgur.com/a/KfJRD is enough?
17:36 < tabaluga> I tried to run game in debug mode
17:36 < tabaluga> and got crash
17:37 < elexis> Vladislav: what arch? im not using arch linux
17:37 < Vladislav> elexis: architecture (x86, amd64, powerpc)?
17:37 < tabaluga> crash at fcollada library
17:38 < elexis> x86_64
17:38 < tabaluga> exactly in FCDSceneNode dctor
17:38 < Stan`> only in debug mode right ?
17:39 < elexis> tabaluga: #4460
17:39 < WildfireBot> #4460 (FCollada crash in debug mode) – http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4460
17:39 < tabaluga> well, i didn't try without VS 
17:40 < Stan`> you can build release use vs :)
17:40 < Stan`> *with
17:41 < tabaluga> but i want to find out
17:41 < tabaluga> what's going on 
17:41 < temple> Angen: okay, I see
17:41 < temple> you could make a ticket for that and attach the replay
17:41 < Angen> ok
17:42 < elexis> Angen: we need the replays for bugs, so we can see whats going on in the code
17:42 < temple> I think it's because the formation (which is large passability class) can't find space to get through the units
17:42 < tabaluga> Ok, thanks for ticket
17:42 < temple> like if you had an elephant in the middle of a group of units, it couldn't get out
17:42 <@Itms> tabaluga: it would be great to trace that down! I'd personnaly add some print calls to see the contents of the trackers list
17:43 < temple> so that's different than my screenshot, where it was just one unit getting stuck on an obstruction
17:43 < Angen> elexis: only commands.txt ? 
17:43 < tabaluga> Itms, I've already made som investigations
17:43 < elexis> sufficient, yes
17:44 < tabaluga> I found that crash happened because of it tries release recources that already has been freed
17:44 < Dunedan_> Itms: If you got a minute, it'd be really cool, if you could finish your review on D280, so we can get that merged.
17:44 < WildfireBot> D280: Convert Lobby README to markdown [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D280
17:45 < Stan`> I'm going the nuke duplicate way for this tower
17:46 < tabaluga> So, It tried to make changes in fcollada library (to add a copy of FCDSceneNode)
17:46 < tabaluga> but it doesn't help
17:46 < tabaluga> because of it doesn't copy parrents
17:47 < WildfireBot> m​i​m​o accepted D1204 (Move Pack Time to template) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1204
17:47 < tabaluga> and method FindSkeleton doesn't work without parent item of FCDSceneNode
17:47 <@Itms> Dunedan_: The formatting changes might be no-brainers but since we're at it the contents should be accurate. Did you try to follow the steps before accepting the diff?
17:47 <@Itms> on a VM or something
17:48 <@Itms> which is why I should do if I finished the review
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17:50 < Imarok> hi there
17:51 < elexis> hello
17:51 < Dunedan_> Itms: The difficult part in there is ejabberd. The instructions in there might work for old Debian versions, but are not really helpful for current versions. The python scripts are fairly easy to install/start. For the ejabberd part I'm waiting for this patch the get merged so I can submit a patch updating the ejabberd code and instructions for recent versions of Debian/ejabberd, so from my point of view it's not that important if they are 
17:51 < Dunedan_> now accurate as well. For me this PR is simply just the format change.
17:53 < Imarok> I'd call this ↑ a deadlock ;P
17:53 < Dunedan_> well, I already called it deadlock earlier ;-)
17:53 < Angen> ticket raised #4935
17:54 < WildfireBot> #4935 (Formation movement) – http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4935
17:55 < Imarok> Dunedan_: didn't knew :D 
17:56 < tabaluga> guys, I need a little push to fix this problem
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17:57 < Imarok> tabaluga: what is your issue?
17:57 < Imarok> you wanna fix the fcollada thing or you wanna debug 0ad with VS?
17:58 < Imarok> if it's the second, just compile and start 0ad in VS by changing to release mode
17:58 < tabaluga> Firstly, I want to debug 0ad with VS, but I coudn't beacuse of I got fcollada crash
17:58 < tabaluga> and now I want to fix this problem
17:58 < Imarok> Then set VS to release mode
17:59 < Imarok> you can also debug in release mode
17:59 < Imarok> debug mode turns off some optimizations and adds some checks, which makes debugging sometimes easier
18:00 < tabaluga> ok, but what should i do to fix fcollada issue ?
18:00 < tabaluga> it crashes when freeing recources that already has been freed
18:01 < Imarok> If you fixed it, upload a patch. If you want to fix it, do it. Else post additional information (if you have) on the ticket and do some other 0ad things.
18:02 <@Itms> Hello Imarok!
18:03 < tabaluga> Ok, thanks
18:03 < tabaluga> I will post
18:03 < Imarok> hi Itms 
18:03 < Angen> does it works with VS2015 now? 
18:03 < Angen> *work
18:04 <@Itms> Dunedan_: then I'd rather see the ejabberd fix first (after all we can live without the format change so let's not spend time on this) and then update the docs with a good format and updated instructions :)
18:04 < Imarok> Angen: what?
18:04 <@Itms> Angen: it does, you should see a few warnings though, patches welcome :)
18:05 < WildfireBot> m​i​m​o closed D1204 (Move Pack Time to template) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1204
18:05 < Angen> I just ran update workspaces and vc 2015 appeared so I was currious
18:05 < Angen> :D
18:06 < Dunedan_> Itms: not spending time on this would mean merging D280, wouldn't it? ;-) Everything else will end up being more effort for everybody. But if you insist we can of course do it that way.
18:06 < WildfireBot> D280: Convert Lobby README to markdown [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D280
18:07 < Angen> Imarok: what what 
18:09 < Imarok> Angen: "does it works with VS2015 now? "was not sure if you were referring to tabalugas bug or vs2015 in general...
18:10 < Angen> Imarok: ah, general
18:10 < Imarok> I know
18:10 < Imarok> (after Itms answer satisfied you)
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18:12 < Imarok> elexis: do you know about the unreachable trees on oasis?
18:13 < elexis> no
18:13 < Imarok> no you do
18:13 < Imarok> *now
18:13 < Imarok> there are mostly some trees in the water that are unreachable
18:14 <@Itms> Dunedan_: let's do things properly ;)
18:15 < elexis> Itms: so first upgrade the ejabberd version, then introduce the readme.md?
18:17 < Imarok> is trac broken?
18:17 < Imarok> I can't login
18:17 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4935 (Formation movement) created http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4935
18:17 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: commands.txt attached to Ticket #4935 http://trac.wildfiregames.com/attachment/ticket/4935/commands.txt
18:17 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20804]: Move Pack Time to parent template  Patch by Angen  Reviewed By: mimo  ... http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20804
18:17 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4935 (Formation movement) updated http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4935#comment:1
18:18 < elexis> I cant login either
18:18 < Imarok> Itms: 
18:18 < Imarok> and yes, I definitely typed my pw correctly ^^
18:20 < Imarok> temple: how could you login?
18:20 < temple> I reset my password
18:20 < Imarok> k
18:21 < elexis> I could login earlier this day, but not anymore
18:21 < Imarok> I'd say resetting the pw is not a general solution ^^
18:21 < temple> :)
18:25 <@Itms> I didn't touch anything today
18:26 <@Itms> I can't login either and I didn't do anything...
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18:31 < elexis> bobby tables?
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18:36 <@Itms> I'll have to eat first and then I'll take a look. I'll probably take Trac down, and maybe don't publish updates in case I have to use the backup
18:38 < elexis> we cant update anyhow :P
18:39 <@Itms> unless you reset your password :)
18:39 < Imarok> yep
18:40 < gallaecio> elexis: (from someone who has never used Atlas) How do I load Unknown? I select load, but I cannot find it under Scenarios or Skirmishes.
18:42 < elexis> gallaecio: random maps are generated
18:42 < elexis> theres a button for that in the main window
18:42 < gallaecio> elexis: I see it, thanks!
18:42 < WildfireBot> I​m​a​r​o​k added inline comments to D717 (Show rank icon above status bars) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D717
18:43 < gallaecio> elexis, Vladislav: I can confirm the crash (on Linux x86_64 as well)
18:44 < WildfireBot> I​m​a​r​o​k updated the diff for D717 (Show rank icon above status bars) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D717
18:45 <@Itms> the user database looks corrupted and full of gibberish, I suspect there is a flaw in Trac's code. Easy to restore the user database from backups, I'll try to warn upstream
18:45 <@Itms> I mean I'll warn and try to follow up
18:45 <@Itms> after dinner though :)
18:46 < Imarok> gl
18:46 < gallaecio> elexis: Should https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1202 fix the crash, or should we create a ticket about the crash for someone to eventually look at it?
18:46 < WildfireBot> D1202: Fix Atlas compilation error if enabled UTF8 in wxWidget [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1202
18:46 < Imarok> and thank you for looking into such issues
18:48 < Dunedan_> Itms: do you mind if I update the README already to Markdown when submitting the ejabberd patch? Otherwise it'll be simply duplicated work.
18:50 < Dunedan_> well, I guess in any case it's an unsatisfying outcome
18:50 <@Itms> Dunedan_: oh no, that would be great to have a doc update at the same time as the ejabberd patch, I'm all for it :)
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18:54 < Dunedan_> Itms: of course I'll update the docs together with the ejabberd module. That's the point the whole time. If I wouldn't do that I wouldn't even care which format the README is in. But I already have the updated documentation as Markdown nearly ready, so my point was to merge D280 to save the effort for me to reformat the documentation and for user1 to rebase the patch to the adjusted README.
18:54 < WildfireBot> D280: Convert Lobby README to markdown [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D280
18:58 < Dunedan_> anyway, I'll just use the reformatted README from D280 now as base for my patch and see what happens
18:58 < WildfireBot> D280: Convert Lobby README to markdown [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D280
19:00 < Imarok_> Itms: So I'll wait with my new ticket, until you give me a ok
19:02 < elexis> gallaecio: doesnt fix it for me
19:10 < gallaecio> OK, I’ll report a bug, replace the ellipsis in code (elexis: worth a review?) and update the documentation.
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19:12 < Stan> Project K is pretty much sorted out
19:12 < Stan> Should I proceed (Y,N)
19:13 < Angen> I just noticed one tip on loading screen: city walls are attackable only by siege weapons, does not looks like true
19:14 < Imarok_> Stan: what happens if I just press Return/Enter? seems like there are two defaults ;P
19:15 < Stan> Imarok_, Aborting... :P
19:15 < Imarok_> Uh, that's unusal
19:15 < Imarok_> *unusual
19:15 < elexis> gallaecio: we could write up a complete sentence, then we don't have the character nor the three dots
19:15 < gallaecio> elexis: yes, I will do that.
19:16 < elexis> Angen: indeed, there are some of them wrong, if you watn to sort them out, wouldn't be bad
19:17 < elexis> Stan: triplecheck that you have all files revisioned and changes added
19:17 < elexis> if there are some things wrong its not too bad, but incomplete would be sad
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19:17 < Stan> elexis, I lost the file history in the process though
19:17 < Stan> (hannibal commits)
19:17 < elexis> oh they dont matter
19:18 < temple> elexis: right now I have GetOriginalColor and GetColor; you'd prefer if they were instead named GetColor and GetDisplayedColor?
19:18 < temple> (GetOriginalColor used for the sim state)
19:19 < temple> just means replacing the dozen GetColor with GetDisplayedColor, but I'm lazy...
19:19 < WildfireBot> D​u​n​e​d​a​n created D1208 (Update mod_ipstamp for current ejabberd versions) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1208
19:19 < gallaecio> elexis, Vladislav: May https://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/2846 be the culprit?
19:20 < Vladislav> gallaecio: nope.
19:20 < gallaecio> OK
19:20 < Vladislav> But you can create a ticket for the Unicode problem.
19:20 < WildfireBot> D​u​n​e​d​a​n updated the summary of D1208 (Update mod_ipstamp for current ejabberd versions) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1208
19:21 < Dunedan_> Itms: there you go: D1208
19:21 < WildfireBot> D1208: Update mod_ipstamp for current ejabberd versions [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1208
19:21 < Stan> tabaluga, How far have you got ? :)
19:22 < fpre> temple: https://code.wildfiregames.com/D756
19:22 < WildfireBot> D756: Fix formation auras [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D756
19:23 < elexis> temple: I cant find an answer different from 'yes'
19:23 < fpre> maybe this timers from technology research can shown to the top right icons too?
19:23 < elexis> we could ask Imarok or Vladislav too for the naming, since bb is offline
19:24 < Vladislav> elexis: m?
19:24 < fpre> as they gets shown as icon top right when they get researching
19:24 < fpre> would nice to know when they finish
19:24 < fpre> for fight etc.
19:25 < fpre> timers from production queue
19:25 < elexis> Vladislav: we will get a new function in the Player component that returns either the player color or the diplomacy color (one color per team) and now we wonder how the functions should be named
19:27 < temple> I'm okay with GetColor and GetDisplayedColor, so I'll just do that
19:28 < temple> fpre: okay, I see the formation bug
19:31 < Angen> sooo , here is question, I debuged starting map, variables are well defined while debugging release version, but when debugging debug version, one variable has incredible value on the start
19:31 < Angen> what can be wrong
19:32 < Angen> notice: everything goes ok in release program, just debug crash
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19:35 < elexis> perhaps its a bug in the debugger, so one would need to debug the debugger of the debug mode
19:36 < Vladislav> elexis: who decide what's the color (player or diplomacy)?
19:36 < elexis> the viewer (GUI)
19:36 < gallaecio> Itms: Just to satisfy your curiosity, we have 27 ellipsis on translatable English strings.
19:37 < elexis> gallaecio: only the ones in the maps are crucial and indeed the atlas should be fixed at some point to support all characters
19:37 < elexis> and a simple revert can do too if thats easier
19:38 < fpre> tx
19:38 < gallaecio> elexis: It's no trouble for me to change it manually, 27 quite a low number of strings for me. 100+ would be a different topic.
19:38 < fpre> temple:  timers also for u:)
19:40 < temple> timer sounds nice
19:40 < fpre> +1
19:40 < fpre> tx
19:40 < fpre> Vladislav: i updated test strings for D856
19:40 < WildfireBot> D856: Tab more names when autocomplete in chat [Needs Review] – https://code.wildfiregames.com/D856
19:41 < gallaecio> elexis: As for fixing only XML files that may be loaded with Atlas, I am not sure. As someone who does not know exactly what can or cannot be opened with Atlas, it is easier for me to follow a guideline that says "use a phrase instead of an ellipsis" that one that says "use an Unicode ellipsis character, unless the file you are editing can be opened by Atlas, in which case you must use a full ASCII phrase instead@.
19:41 < gallaecio> And we don't now how soon the Atlas issue will be fixed. It could be years, it happens :)
19:42 < gallaecio> What I wanted out of this is the issue on Trac. Now, when a translator asks for such a change (few do, but the ones that do do it often), I can point them to the Trac issue and solve the issue.
19:42 < elexis> sure, it should be addressed in the strings for now
19:43 < elexis> yes, just wait with editing trac until it was updated, the db is broken currently
19:43 < elexis> bugs = everything
19:44 < gallaecio> elexis: What? oO Trac is working for me, I've already created the issue and updated the wiki page. Do we plan to restore a previous database state?
19:45 < elexis> gallaecio: it broke today, see chatlog above
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19:46 < gallaecio> elexis: If I understood Itms right, only the users part is broken.
19:47 < gallaecio> I've already done the changes, anyway.
19:47 < gallaecio> On to the commit.
19:48 < elexis> yes, but the trac db will be restored
19:48 < elexis> dunno
19:49 < Imarok> "18:36 <@Itms> I'll have to eat first and then I'll take a look. I'll probably take Trac down, and maybe don't publish updates in case I have to use the backup"
19:49 < gallaecio> Oh, damn.
19:49 < gallaecio> OK
19:52 < gallaecio> "Registering…", from gui/prelobby/prelobby.js, is making me rethink things. It's either 3 dots or an elipsis, no phrase can make up for it.
19:52 < gallaecio> elexis: What do you say, ASCII for these cases? Only in non-Atlas files? (and if so, which files can Atlas load?).
19:53 <@Itms> Imarok, gallaecio, will only have to restore users, it's a separate database
19:53 <@Itms> so you can update tickets and commit things, but the password will be reverted to what you had when I restore the backup
19:54 <@Itms> also I will warn you when I take things down, else the commits won't be shown on Trac if you commit while it's down
19:54 < elexis> ah good
19:55 < Vladislav> elexis: there were objections for GetColor/GetDiplomacyColor?
19:55 < elexis> apparently not
19:55 <@Itms> Dunedan_: cool, thanks!
19:55 < elexis> gallaecio: only the ones for maps were relevant
19:55 <@Itms> gallaecio: thanks for the insight :P
19:56 <@Itms> gallaecio: "registering in progress" without a punctuation?
19:57 < Angen> guys, I have question, int i1 = std::min(i0 + CHUNK_SIZE, (int)dirtinessGrid.m_W); but then ENSURE(i0 >= 0 && j0 >= 0 && i1 < m_W && j1 < m_H); ????? 
19:58 < Angen> no logic for me
19:58 < Angen> should it not be i1 <= m_W ? since min(.., m_W) ?
20:01 <@Itms> actually it should be min(..., m_W-1), good catch
20:02 < Angen> Itms: so long everything works with min( ..., m_W) :D strange
20:03 <@Itms> it's just a small edge case ^^
20:03 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20805]: petra: complete rP20791 for the cc distance reduction when defensive ... http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20805
20:03 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4936 (Atlas crashes if map descriptions contain Unicode characters) created http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4936
20:03 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: 0ad-atlas-unicode-crash.txt attached to Ticket #4936 http://trac.wildfiregames.com/attachment/ticket/4936/0ad-atlas-unicode-crash.txt
20:03 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: EnglishStyleGuide edited http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/EnglishStyleGuide?version=9
20:04 < Angen> (int)(dirtinessGrid.m_H - 1) or (int)dirtinessGrid.m_H - 1
20:04 <@Itms> and here it would happen at the edge of the map so with round maps all of that zone is impassable anyways
20:06 <@Itms> the latter (m_H is probably unsigned if it's a size (or it is semantically unsigned)) so if it's 0 it's not so good to remove 1
20:06 <@Itms> and less parentheses is nicer :)
20:06 <@Itms> (not always)
20:08 < Angen> so this one: (int)dirtinessGrid.m_H - 1
20:13 < elexis> Itms: also 3 impassable tiles at the map border
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20:14 < fpre> bb1: the tab switch order is also false for hotkeys as W is hotkey for forward should therefore be ALT+W Forward (next) tab and ALT+S backward previous tab. atm its other way around
20:15 < bb1> fpre: depends how you define "next"
20:15 < fpre> forward W and backward S comes from camera and walk movement
20:16 < fpre> ^
20:16 < bb1> and "forward"
20:16 < bb1> but W is up, so moves a tab up
20:16 < fpre> na
20:16 < bb1> which is "backward" in the tab sense
20:16 < fpre> its forward movement
20:16 < fpre> not upmovement
20:16 < fpre> look fps games
20:16 < fpre> same in our camera movement
20:17 < fpre> forward backward left right
20:17 < fpre> no up
20:17 < fpre> wsad
20:17 < fpre> well known
20:17 < bb1> I hope you don't want to habe alt+S to move a tab up
20:18 < bb1> so define forward as up in the tab sense and everything is consistend
20:19 < bb1> but usually "next" means the thing below (as we read from top to bottom), thus forward, means previous in that sense
20:19 < fpre> ok thats no arguement
20:19 < fpre> we read from left to right
20:20 < fpre> but
20:20 < fpre> x)
20:20 < fpre> we can advertise tab and alt+tab for that
20:20 < bb1> is "next" the thing below or above?
20:20 < fpre> as proposed
20:20 < fpre> next line
20:20 < fpre> below
20:20 < fpre> sry
20:20 < fpre> x)
20:20 < bb1> won't work when there is an input field
20:20 < fpre> u got alt+ keys
20:20 < fpre> work
20:21 < fpre> when u cycle through tabs no input field focused
20:21 < fpre> no harm
20:21 < Imarok> " will only have to restore users, it's a separate database" good to know
20:21 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4937 (Unreachable trees on random map Oasis) created http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4937
20:22 < bb1> there can be an input field selected
20:22 < fpre> ther u tab names
20:22 < fpre> unfocus
20:22 < fpre> cycle tabs
20:22 < bb1> (though alt+letter still prints the letter in the input field)
20:22 < fpre> xD
20:22 < fpre> lol true
20:22 < fpre> haha
20:22 < fpre> tab is best for next tab
20:23 < fpre> shift + tab
20:23 < fpre> equal
20:23 < bb1> so to use the hotkeys I need to unfocus the text field? not what I think of a useful hotkey
20:23 < Angen> map starts on debug version, now is some problem with mouse click, I am not sure if it is only my problem because of missing something from windows libs or more global
20:23 < bb1> fpre: I have tried with tab hotkey, but they don't work here (might be a linux thingy though)
20:23 < fpre> no its ok
20:24 < bb1> but we need to support that
20:24 < fpre> only focused inputs
20:24 < Angen> more concrete: fails if give order to move, not on picking unit
20:24 < bb1> tried with unfocus too
20:24 < fpre> lol?
20:24 < fpre> okw ait
20:24 < fpre> i tried
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20:25 < fpre> cant be true
20:25 < fpre> it must work
20:25 < fpre> cant be linux thing
20:25 < fpre> we tab in games too
20:25 < bb1> y tab works for the input field, but not outside
20:25 < fpre> u didnt assign
20:25 < fpre> assign the key
20:26 < bb1> not for other stuff when there is an input field
20:26 < Imarok> Angen: feel free to upload a patch fixing that (sorry if someone already said that)
20:26 < fpre> i dont understand other stuff
20:26 < bb1> tab works for options and credits, but not when there is an input field
20:26 < fpre> whats ur os
20:26 < bb1> linux fedora
20:26 < fpre> (independ though)
20:26 < fpre> na
20:26 < fpre> desktop
20:26 < bb1> gnome
20:27 < bb1> 3
20:27 < fpre> why should not work outside input
20:27 < fpre> impossible
20:27 < bb1> well fix it...
20:27 < fpre> we need to acknowledge that bug
20:27 < fpre> from someone othe rtoo
20:27 < fpre> cant be true
20:28 < fpre> think u got something changed in ur code
20:28 < fpre> though
20:28 < fpre> it cant interact with ur os
20:28 < fpre> must always interact then
20:29 < fpre> got svn state today still works with changed hotkey in default.cfg to tab
20:29 <@Itms> ok folks, I'm stopping Trac now
20:30 <@Itms> bb1 elexis gallaecio Imarok Stan ^ 
20:30 < Imarok> kk
20:30 < Imarok> np
20:30  * bb1 is doing quantum homework
20:30 < fpre> jep
20:30 < Stan> Itms, thanks :)
20:34 < WildfireBot> A​n​g​e​n created D1209 (Running debug version - Pathfinder borders fix) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1209
20:35 < Angen> I forgot to save other parenthesis version :D, I fix it later
20:42 < Angen> bb1: like quantum computing? 
20:43 < bb1> n, quantummechanics
20:43 < bb1> (ofc quantumcomputing is related)
20:44 < elexis> so theres already two of you
20:44 < fpre> some with gnome desktop here?
20:44 < fpre> gnome3
20:45 < Angen> maybe me, I can check, but I dont know if it can handle this game
20:45 < fpre> if someone can acknowledge fast that for tab keys in default.cfg [hotkey.tab] Alt+S and Alt+W changed to "Tab" and "Shift+Tab" dont work to switch tabs in options dialog when text input fields appear?
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20:45 < fpre> u can handle
20:46 < fpre> Dunedan: gnome3?
20:46 < bb1> fpre: in options they work
20:46 < fpre> nice
20:46 < fpre> in quantum?
20:46 < bb1> no idea
20:46 < fpre> xD
20:46 < fpre> they do
20:47 < fpre> i want ack someone stuck there
20:47 < fpre> important
20:47 < fpre> xD
20:47 < fpre> u said they dont work when input field appear on page
20:47 < bb1> its just the autocomplete thing which is in the way for some text fields
20:47 < bb1> hmm, maybe not all input fields
20:47 < fpre> unfocus
20:48 < Imarok> gnome here
20:48 < fpre> nice
20:48 < fpre> can u switch to tab keys?
20:48 < Imarok> with patch?
20:48 < fpre> its in svn
20:48 < Imarok> or palin svn?
20:48 < fpre> its ok
20:48 < fpre> sarah palin?
20:49 < Imarok> where?
20:49 < fpre> default.cfg
20:49 < Imarok> no palin= plain
20:49 < fpre> [hotkey.tab] Alt+S and Alt+W changed to "Tab" and "Shift+Tab"
20:49 < Angen> lol
20:49 < fpre> jep plain
20:49 < fpre> sarah plain
20:49 < fpre> svn
20:49 < Imarok> ah, so I need to change that...
20:49 < fpre> jep
20:49 < fpre> maybe in git trump too
20:49 < fpre> not sure
20:50 < fpre> or arcantist jedi laser sword firefox crash
20:50 < fpre> xD
20:50 < Imarok> works
20:50 < fpre> nice
20:50 < Imarok> (tested in options)
20:50 < fpre> u dont stuck at any page?
20:50 < fpre> for me flawlessly
20:50 < fpre> both
20:50 < fpre> tab and shift tab
20:50 < fpre> also credits summary
20:51 < fpre> when focus input ofc unbound
20:51 < Imarok> wut?
20:51 < fpre> but when unfocus text input field again works
20:51 < fpre> text input field sry
20:51 < Imarok> please formulate a test case in a whole complete sentence
20:51 < Imarok> (also in german if you want)
20:51 < fpre> sry
20:51 < fpre> x(
20:51 < fpre> focus text input field in options 
20:52 < fpre> then it should not work cause tab is bound again into text input field normaly to autocomplete
20:52 < Imarok> yep
20:52 < fpre> but when u click outside of the text input field it should unfocus the text input field and then you should be able to again switch tabs with the hotkeys tab and shift + tab flawlessly
20:53 < fpre> Is that for you in person the case?
20:53 < gallaecio> elexis: Changes done locally, I could replace all ellipsis of map descriptions with perios or commas. As soon as Itms puts Trac back online, I'll upload a diff to Phabricator.
20:53 < fpre> :)
20:53 < Imarok> yep
20:53 < fpre> ok 
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20:53 < fpre> bb1: please try again when finished quatum house workies :)
20:53 <@Itms> gallaecio: if it's to Phabricator you can upload it now if you want
20:54 < bb1> fpre: you mean next week then? -_-
20:54 < gallaecio> Itms: awesome
20:54 < fpre> send me ur home workies :)
20:54 < fpre> or send them itms
20:55 < bb1> doesn't help me in understanding the stuff
20:55 < fpre> the solution always guides on the right way
20:55 < fpre> xD
20:59 < WildfireBot> t​e​m​p​l​e added a comment to D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
20:59 < WildfireBot> G​a​l​l​a​e​c​i​o created D1210 (Remove Unicode ellipsis from map files) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1210
21:01 < WildfireBot> t​e​m​p​l​e updated the diff for D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
21:06 <@Itms> Trac is back!
21:06 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: screenshot0136.png attached to Ticket #4937 http://trac.wildfiregames.com/attachment/ticket/4937/screenshot0136.png
21:06 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Ticket #4937 (Unreachable trees on random map Oasis) updated http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/4937#comment:1
21:06 <@Itms> bb1: and I'd be happy to help you understand if needed/wanted :à
21:06 < elexis> thank you Itms
21:06 <@Itms> :)*
21:07 <@Itms> there are a lot of spam accounts and I need to find a way to sanitize this. I just tried to enable the spam filter on registrations but I failed :/
21:07 <@Itms> it's poorly put together
21:10 < bb1> Itms: well not much I don't understand in manipulating integrals -_-
21:10 <@Itms> ah that's the boring part for sure
21:10 <@Itms> good luck
21:11 < bb1> (especially with my handwriting :P)
21:13 < fpre> temple: also for phasing tech time top right i ack atm
21:17 < Stan> So greenlight for project K ?
21:17 < Angen> guys, dbghelp.pdb not found :( how to fix this? 
21:17 < Angen> and it is really missing
21:17 < Stan> Tried restarting vs ?
21:19 < Angen> this file is not in /system, restarting does not help
21:20 < Stan> Angen, It's supposed to be installed by Visual Studio
21:21 < Angen> Stan: only just by opening? not on build or something ? 
21:22 < Stan> I think it's installed when you install Visual Studio itself
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21:31 < Angen> Stan: build target is 32bit ?
21:31 < Stan> yes
21:31 < Stan> no 5
21:31 < Stan> 64 bit for windows
21:31 < WildfireBot> t​e​m​p​l​e added a comment to D1209 (Running debug version - Pathfinder borders fix) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1209
21:34 < WildfireBot> A​n​g​e​n updated subscribers of D1209 (Running debug version - Pathfinder borders fix) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1209
21:35 < Angen> temple: I thought the same, but Itms said
21:35 <@Itms> temple: maybe it's me who made a mistake (I didn't have the code before me) 
21:36 <@Itms> why do you think it's == m_W? i usually goes from 0 to < m_W
21:37 <@Itms> ah sorry
21:37 < temple> because the loop goes < j1
21:37 <@Itms> yep, just saw that
21:37 < temple> k
21:38 <@Itms> my bad then... good catch anyways Angen :) can you make sure not to upload the binaries with the patch when you update it?
21:40 < Angen> Itms: I ll change it back and edit ENSURE, anyway I want to solve movement order thing, its failling there now, besides, I cannt patch, and I try to not upload them next time
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21:41 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20806]: Use createPassage from rP20732 to connect islands on Snowflake ... http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20806
21:41 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Tickets #4805,​4845,​4854 batch updated http://trac.wildfiregames.com/query?id=4805%2C4845%2C4854
21:41 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: EnglishStyleGuide edited http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/EnglishStyleGuide?version=10
21:42 < echotangoecho> quantum mechanics certainly was more interesting than messing around with formal grammars
21:43 < elexis> theoretical computer science was my favorite part
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21:44 < elexis> its where they made me a pavlov dog to simplify equations and remove duplication
21:44 < Angen> for me is more fun practical part, but not that with proves :D
21:48 < Angen> can someone tell me where is code for move order? I ended in bunch of dump functions
21:48 < echotangoecho> I'm more interested in scientific computing, computer graphics, computational geometry
21:49 < temple> what do you mean by move order?
21:50 < Angen> when you have selected unit and you click somewhere to move there, but you do not click to any entity
21:51 < temple> that's in unit motion
21:51 < elexis> and unitAI
21:52 < temple> source/simulation2/components/CCmpUnitMotion.cpp
21:52 < temple> binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/components/UnitAI.js
21:52 < Angen> thnx
21:54 < elexis> and every simulation command starts at binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/helpers/Commands.js
21:57 < WildfireBot> I​t​m​s added a comment to D1209 (Running debug version - Pathfinder borders fix) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1209
22:04 < WildfireBot> t​e​m​p​l​e updated subscribers of D1209 (Running debug version - Pathfinder borders fix) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1209
22:06 < Angen> can someone check it if it is only by me missing library ? 
22:08 < WildfireBot> w​r​a​i​t​i​i requested changes to D1209 (Running debug version - Pathfinder borders fix) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1209
22:09 < Angen> found real function, but do not understand why only in debug 
22:16 < WildfireBot> A​n​g​e​n planned changes to D1209 (Running debug version - Pathfinder borders fix) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1209
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22:48 < elexis> temple: the updatePlayerData calls arent needed anymore?
22:49 < elexis> oh it was just moved
22:52 < WildfireBot> News from 0adsvn: Changeset [20807]: Change slightly the catafalque to adapt to new horses meshes. Reported ... http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/20807
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23:19 < temple> elexis: in messages I moved the updatePlayerData to before the chat message, so that you'll see the diplomacy changed message with their new color rather than the old color. seems less confusing that way.
23:19 < elexis> sure
23:24 < elexis> I tried hard but I can't see anything wrong with the patch, I will do some testing and a in depth OOS investigation after the horizontal period
23:25 < temple> I didn't know you slept
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23:42 < elexis> I didnt say that
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23:51 < WildfireBot> t​e​m​p​l​e added inline comments to D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
23:56 < WildfireBot> t​e​m​p​l​e added inline comments to D754 (Diplomacy Colors) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D754
23:56 < elexis> yes, two lines
23:56 < elexis> whats the matter with the rallypoint color?
23:59 < temple> nothing wrong, just that rally point line has two different colors, the player color in vision + fog of war, and then a dashed red line in the shroud of darkness
23:59 < temple> we only want to change the player color part, and to figure out which part that is I look at the color
23:59 < temple> compared it to the dashed line color
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